ForThe Vampire Diaries, season 4 was a time of transition.

“I don’t know that we could pull that off today,” Dries says.

Plec also remembers the decision being a bit about timing.

THE VAMPIRE DIARIES, Pedro Pascal

Nina Dobrev on ‘The Vampire Diaries,’ and Pedro Pascal.Everett Collection; Jeff Spicer/Getty Images

That just doesn’t feel right, vampire or no vampire."

Plus,The Originalsfound Davis, someone who, as Plec says, “just had that swagger.

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