How do these brothers come back fromthat?
Things will never be exactly the way that they were.
He was disappointed in you.

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And he died disappointed in you.
And the truth of that is what hurts.
And he repeats it.
I don’t know which one is worse.
They’re in the toilet together.
That was like spinning as an actor.
That was fun though.
I slept well that night.
Also just the memories of his father, remembering he had three [kids].
And then also kind of do it better.
Sometimes I’m like, I don’t know how they did it.
I don’t even know why they didn’t run away.
And then other times I’m like, Okay, I get it.
And also on whoever the woman is that he’s with.
Could Kevin see Madison as not just parenting partner but also romantic partner?
T"here’s a plan in one’s head about how to go about something, says Hartley.
This is a big thing; this is babies coming into your life.
So whatever the plan is, the reality will change [it].
So they’re going to definitely have some moments that are very personal.
That’ll definitely be something that we explore in a big way in season 5.
He takes a little more care, not only of himself, but of other people.
His career is certainly working out.
Thank God I’m not like competing against this guy for jobs, quips Hartley.
He seems to get anything he wants.
Did he want even more kids than the ones currently on the way?
Anything is possible," he says.
“Thats the question, right?
How old is this dude?
Is he Santa Claus?
We don’t know what’s going on.
That’s a possibility.
That would be the payoff, right?
You want to know who it is or if it was someone that had changed.
In any case, Hartley drops this clue about Kevin’s growth curve.
“Or it might even be too daunting for anybody to be able to do.
He sets a certain bar and we’ll see if he can get there or not.
Both COVID-19 and Black Lives Matter the biggest headlines of 2020 will be incorporated into the story this season.
Our show does a very good job of dealing with issues that are very topical, says Hartley.
And some of them are not pleasant.
That’s what our show does.
Sometimes things are too big of a deal to escape from.
Especially if you have other family members that are talking to both sides.
So hopefully something happens.
To see exactly what happens, tune in to the season 5 premiere on Tuesday at 9 p.m.
Looking for more preview intel?
Chrissy Metz alsodropped hints about the new season, asdid Chris Sullivan.
And you might want to hear whatMilo Ventimiglia had to say.Susan Kelechi Watson, too.
Oh, andSterling K. Brown.