“I don’t think it was the ‘be kind’ thing that got her,” O’Donnell said.

“I think that’s oversimplification.

O’Donnell suggested there’s a weight that comes with being the sole person to front a popular show.

“And she had it for like 19 years.

So, you know, it’s a tough thing.”

Cagle introduced the subject by asking O’Donnell if her Queen of Nice nickname caused similar problems.

“Not in the way that Ellen’s talking about, I think,” O’Donnell said.

And oftentimes people don’t know that.

I think I have a good balance of both in my life of the importance of both.

And it’s hard to maintain.

It’s hard to do, especially when you’re doing a show like that.”