Lena Waitheis no stranger to criticism.

But also, you have to remember that sometimes opinions can be temporary."

This latest chapter ofMaster of Noneis one that’s been brewing for a few years now.

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“We started writing this two or three years ago.

“We didn’t want it to be my life or Aziz’s life.

It came from us talking to other people about their relationships and what they go through….

Lena Waithe

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But Waithe says she never set out to be a role model.

“I just wanted to be a good television writer,” she says.

“I still really want to be one of the best to really write television.

And I want to be respected as an artist and producer.”

It can mean elevating narratives that reflect present-day joy and project a deeply imaginative and liberatory future.

“That’s what can be so frustrating,” Waithe says.

It just doesn’t happen, and therefore they get what?

More freedom to play.”

“We really want to give people something that they can’t watch passively.

We have to have both, and there’s such a beautiful variety at Hillman Grad.”

She’s seemingly been walking that talk and, without question, staying busy in the process.

“My thinking was a reflection of who I was then,” she continues.

Now, almost 30 years later, jazz often fills the silence in her own home.

“But Miles Davis hasn’t changed, I have.

I had to rise to it, and that doesn’t mean I was beneath it.

It just means I wasn’t ready.

I didn’t understand it.”

“For me, the vision is to work through things,” Waithe adds.

“Art is supposed to be controversial, polarizing.

It’s supposed to be debated and talked about.

Sometimes art that is really cozy and comfortable and warm I often forget.”

“Like it or not, I’m not going anywhere.

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